Comments on: Give and Take; Control and Release http://mighkwilson.com/2009/08/give-and-take-control-and-release/ Expert Advice for Central Florida Bicycle Users Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:50:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Antonio Brown Jersey http://mighkwilson.com/2009/08/give-and-take-control-and-release/comment-page-1/#comment-607 Antonio Brown Jersey Mon, 05 Sep 2011 00:26:13 +0000 http://mighkwilson.com/?p=701#comment-607 Here's hoping there's a a load more top-notch means coming! Here’s hoping there’s a a load more top-notch means coming!

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]]> By: fred_dot_u http://mighkwilson.com/2009/08/give-and-take-control-and-release/comment-page-1/#comment-556 fred_dot_u Thu, 07 Jul 2011 14:34:57 +0000 http://mighkwilson.com/?p=701#comment-556 David, I no longer think that this sort of practice by motorists should be considered as being specific to bicyclists' actions. On a 70 mile round trip in our automobile (a Rav4EV) yesterday, we were on a two-lane road, traveling slightly under the speed limit in order to conserve our range. Traffic was able to pass during the many straight stretches of roadway marked for passing. During one such passing stretch, four cars changed into the oncoming lane, even though only three of them could safely pass. The fourth car caused both the oncoming driver and me to brake in order to avoid a collision. While operating my velomobile, on downhills/bridges, I can and often do reach the speed limit, yet other road users will speed up to overtake me and pull into my lane, only to slow at the next intersection or clot of vehicles. There's a serious failure in the road user education programs in our country, just as you noted in your last sentence. David, I no longer think that this sort of practice by motorists should be considered as being specific to bicyclists’ actions. On a 70 mile round trip in our automobile (a Rav4EV) yesterday, we were on a two-lane road, traveling slightly under the speed limit in order to conserve our range. Traffic was able to pass during the many straight stretches of roadway marked for passing.

During one such passing stretch, four cars changed into the oncoming lane, even though only three of them could safely pass. The fourth car caused both the oncoming driver and me to brake in order to avoid a collision.

While operating my velomobile, on downhills/bridges, I can and often do reach the speed limit, yet other road users will speed up to overtake me and pull into my lane, only to slow at the next intersection or clot of vehicles.

There’s a serious failure in the road user education programs in our country, just as you noted in your last sentence.

]]> By: David Whitmon http://mighkwilson.com/2009/08/give-and-take-control-and-release/comment-page-1/#comment-555 David Whitmon Thu, 07 Jul 2011 12:30:13 +0000 http://mighkwilson.com/?p=701#comment-555 I find that when I am controlling the lane motorists will pass me anyway. They will pass me pulling into the oncoming lane when approaching a blind curve, the crest of a hill or even on a strait a way with on coming traffic. I've seen cars run other cars off the road when passing me when I am doing the speed limit. I ride in a human powered vehicle call a velomobile that is quite capable of traveling at a much higher speed than a conventional bicycle. To be passed by motor vehicles when I am doing the speed limit is a daily occurrence. I've been passed by motor vehicles when I'm doing 42 in a 40 mph zone. I've had a half dozen cars and a transit authority bus pass me when I was doing 25 in a 25 mph zone. Controlling the lane does ensure a cyclists safety but it also shows me that there are way to many people behind the wheel of a car that shouldn't be. I find that when I am controlling the lane motorists will pass me anyway. They will pass me pulling into the oncoming lane when approaching a blind curve, the crest of a hill or even on a strait a way with on coming traffic. I’ve seen cars run other cars off the road when passing me when I am doing the speed limit. I ride in a human powered vehicle call a velomobile that is quite capable of traveling at a much higher speed than a conventional bicycle. To be passed by motor vehicles when I am doing the speed limit is a daily occurrence. I’ve been passed by motor vehicles when I’m doing 42 in a 40 mph zone. I’ve had a half dozen cars and a transit authority bus pass me when I was doing 25 in a 25 mph zone. Controlling the lane does ensure a cyclists safety but it also shows me that there are way to many people behind the wheel of a car that shouldn’t be.

]]> By: Tools, options and doctrine | LAB Reform http://mighkwilson.com/2009/08/give-and-take-control-and-release/comment-page-1/#comment-502 Tools, options and doctrine | LAB Reform Fri, 11 Mar 2011 03:32:11 +0000 http://mighkwilson.com/?p=701#comment-502 [...] to ride farther to the right. Other times, you may use a combination of the two positions, called “Control and release” by the authors of the Cyclingsavvy.org educational [...] [...] to ride farther to the right. Other times, you may use a combination of the two positions, called “Control and release” by the authors of the Cyclingsavvy.org educational [...]

]]> By: Valerie http://mighkwilson.com/2009/08/give-and-take-control-and-release/comment-page-1/#comment-316 Valerie Sat, 23 Jan 2010 02:09:21 +0000 http://mighkwilson.com/?p=701#comment-316 Great information! Thanks for the post. Great information! Thanks for the post.

]]> By: Keri http://mighkwilson.com/2009/08/give-and-take-control-and-release/comment-page-1/#comment-150 Keri Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:03:06 +0000 http://mighkwilson.com/?p=701#comment-150 <em>"If you have too many cars backed up behind you the later ones will get up a good head of steam by the time they pass you and will be more aggressive."</em> Yup. I learnt this the hard way :-) Doing this accommodating maneuver when appropriate actually helps keep too many cars from piling up back there. As Rantwick said, it takes a little experience to discern which situations are appropriate. “If you have too many cars backed up behind you the later ones will get up a good head of steam by the time they pass you and will be more aggressive.”

Yup. I learnt this the hard way :-)

Doing this accommodating maneuver when appropriate actually helps keep too many cars from piling up back there. As Rantwick said, it takes a little experience to discern which situations are appropriate.

]]> By: Dan Gutierrez http://mighkwilson.com/2009/08/give-and-take-control-and-release/comment-page-1/#comment-149 Dan Gutierrez Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:05:57 +0000 http://mighkwilson.com/?p=701#comment-149 If you'd like to see how lane control looks in practice, from the cyclist's perspective, here's an on-bike video showing both lane control and some lane sharing when the lanes are wide enough: www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU4nKKq02BU In addition, we have a series of videos showing lane control in different areas: www.youtube.com/watch?v=adTpGj2MFec www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yp32rEpecQ www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2RZMANlHls Lane control at freeway ramps: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W0twza9B7o Lane control at circles/roundabouts: www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZkhgXaR064 www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j8rS9001sw And finally a video showing lane control on major Southern California arterials: www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1C3qqhW6Aw If you’d like to see how lane control looks in practice, from the cyclist’s perspective, here’s an on-bike video showing both lane control and some lane sharing when the lanes are wide enough:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU4nKKq02BU

In addition, we have a series of videos showing lane control in different areas:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adTpGj2MFec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yp32rEpecQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2RZMANlHls

Lane control at freeway ramps:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W0twza9B7o

Lane control at circles/roundabouts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZkhgXaR064
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j8rS9001sw

And finally a video showing lane control on major Southern California arterials:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1C3qqhW6Aw

]]> By: Rantwick http://mighkwilson.com/2009/08/give-and-take-control-and-release/comment-page-1/#comment-148 Rantwick Wed, 26 Aug 2009 03:52:45 +0000 http://mighkwilson.com/?p=701#comment-148 Thanks Mighk. That was as close a description of how I ride as I've ever seen. I get out to get (or keep) control, but when it's not too fast or close, I get over to the right and let 'em go. The more I practice taking the lane for good reason, thanks to encouragement from this site and others, the better I become as discerning when it is safe to be to the right. Thanks Mighk. That was as close a description of how I ride as I’ve ever seen. I get out to get (or keep) control, but when it’s not too fast or close, I get over to the right and let ‘em go. The more I practice taking the lane for good reason, thanks to encouragement from this site and others, the better I become as discerning when it is safe to be to the right.

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