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		<title>By: Keri</title>
		<link>http://mighkwilson.com/2009/10/doubt-can-unite-us/comment-page-1/#comment-297</link>
		<dc:creator>Keri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Seems to me the best outcome is to teach people to ride properly and have them be out there working on cycling issues with a critical and open mind.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Even a step beyond teaching them to ride properly, is changing their view of the traffic system and their place in it — wiping the scales of cultural bias from their eyes. Once we let go of the car-culture crap that&#039;s been heaped upon us, we see the roadway and our place within it in an irrevocably different and wonderful way. As a man who sees the outside of a prison in which the door has been open all along but he just didn&#039;t recognize he could leave.

Cyclists who have made this transition have escaped the Matrix. They will not accept marginalization as accommodation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Seems to me the best outcome is to teach people to ride properly and have them be out there working on cycling issues with a critical and open mind.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Even a step beyond teaching them to ride properly, is changing their view of the traffic system and their place in it — wiping the scales of cultural bias from their eyes. Once we let go of the car-culture crap that&#8217;s been heaped upon us, we see the roadway and our place within it in an irrevocably different and wonderful way. As a man who sees the outside of a prison in which the door has been open all along but he just didn&#8217;t recognize he could leave.</p>
<p>Cyclists who have made this transition have escaped the Matrix. They will not accept marginalization as accommodation.</p>
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		<title>By: khal spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>khal spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree on the VC dogma issue. The elitism goes over like a lead balloon with the general cycling population, making many of the VC leaders irrelevant. This is tragic, as there is so much to learn.

But the recent attempt by the League to write a defense of facilities paper pointed to a similar weakness on the League&#039;s part, i.e., it was unwilling or unable to clearly articulate that our cycling leadership needs to be a critical advocate of good design, equally vocal critic of bad design, and a strong advocate of universal cycling education adequate to 21st century cycling. I hope some good came out of that issue.

But as you say:

&quot;...The philosophy Keri &amp; I are taking is to teach people to ride properly in as supportive an environment we can manage, and let them figure out for themselves whether or not bike-specific facilities help them or hinder them.&quot;

Exactly. 

In addition, this approach helps individual cyclists tell the difference between good facility design and &quot;crap facilities&quot;, to quote Andy Clarke. Seems to me the best outcome is to teach people to ride properly and have them be out there working on cycling issues with a critical and open mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree on the VC dogma issue. The elitism goes over like a lead balloon with the general cycling population, making many of the VC leaders irrelevant. This is tragic, as there is so much to learn.</p>
<p>But the recent attempt by the League to write a defense of facilities paper pointed to a similar weakness on the League&#8217;s part, i.e., it was unwilling or unable to clearly articulate that our cycling leadership needs to be a critical advocate of good design, equally vocal critic of bad design, and a strong advocate of universal cycling education adequate to 21st century cycling. I hope some good came out of that issue.</p>
<p>But as you say:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;The philosophy Keri &amp; I are taking is to teach people to ride properly in as supportive an environment we can manage, and let them figure out for themselves whether or not bike-specific facilities help them or hinder them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly. </p>
<p>In addition, this approach helps individual cyclists tell the difference between good facility design and &#8220;crap facilities&#8221;, to quote Andy Clarke. Seems to me the best outcome is to teach people to ride properly and have them be out there working on cycling issues with a critical and open mind.</p>
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		<title>By: MighkW</title>
		<link>http://mighkwilson.com/2009/10/doubt-can-unite-us/comment-page-1/#comment-295</link>
		<dc:creator>MighkW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That battle has bothered me for years.  The facilities folks are &quot;winning&quot; because they haven&#039;t wasted so much time trying to &quot;disprove&quot; vehicular cycling (not that the public needs any help with that).  The vehicular cycling leadership has for the most part spent too much time fighting &lt;em&gt;against &lt;/em&gt;facilities, and nowhere near enough time trying to figure out how to make people interested in learning how to ride safely.  Too many VC advocates have been browbeating and insulting people who could have been allies.  They treat their principles as dogma; the slightest variation from them often results in a personal attack.

The philosophy Keri &amp; I are taking is to teach people to ride properly in as supportive an environment we can manage, and let them figure out for themselves whether or not bike-specific facilities help them or hinder them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That battle has bothered me for years.  The facilities folks are &#8220;winning&#8221; because they haven&#8217;t wasted so much time trying to &#8220;disprove&#8221; vehicular cycling (not that the public needs any help with that).  The vehicular cycling leadership has for the most part spent too much time fighting <em>against </em>facilities, and nowhere near enough time trying to figure out how to make people interested in learning how to ride safely.  Too many VC advocates have been browbeating and insulting people who could have been allies.  They treat their principles as dogma; the slightest variation from them often results in a personal attack.</p>
<p>The philosophy Keri &#038; I are taking is to teach people to ride properly in as supportive an environment we can manage, and let them figure out for themselves whether or not bike-specific facilities help them or hinder them.</p>
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		<title>By: Khalil Spencer</title>
		<link>http://mighkwilson.com/2009/10/doubt-can-unite-us/comment-page-1/#comment-293</link>
		<dc:creator>Khalil Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its only a &quot;hoax and a fraud&quot; in the world of political propaganda; most of the doubters out there in the general population are merely protecting their turf. That&#039;s not surprising given the economic battles to be fought, but it doesn&#039;t change the climate modelling, which even critics should admit points to the need for conservation and for hedging our bets on greenhouse emission induced climate change. Its a global experiment we cannot easily run in reverse, at least on the scale of centuries which is what matters to human societies and land use management. In the grand scheme of things, climate has always been changing. Of course, species have always been going extinct, too. We should worry about our own. 

As far as the cycling camps? I recently quipped to Fred Oswald that the battle between the two camps reminds me of the Great Crusades, where I imagined the facilities-centric legions facing off against the VC crowd,  Perhaps the LAB Board and John Forester on opposing great stallions. Meanwhile, neither side alone can prevail against the traditional motorized culture we all have to deal with. 

Horses don&#039;t do well against tanks, as the Poles discovered.  Its about time the protagonists started working together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its only a &#8220;hoax and a fraud&#8221; in the world of political propaganda; most of the doubters out there in the general population are merely protecting their turf. That&#8217;s not surprising given the economic battles to be fought, but it doesn&#8217;t change the climate modelling, which even critics should admit points to the need for conservation and for hedging our bets on greenhouse emission induced climate change. Its a global experiment we cannot easily run in reverse, at least on the scale of centuries which is what matters to human societies and land use management. In the grand scheme of things, climate has always been changing. Of course, species have always been going extinct, too. We should worry about our own. </p>
<p>As far as the cycling camps? I recently quipped to Fred Oswald that the battle between the two camps reminds me of the Great Crusades, where I imagined the facilities-centric legions facing off against the VC crowd,  Perhaps the LAB Board and John Forester on opposing great stallions. Meanwhile, neither side alone can prevail against the traditional motorized culture we all have to deal with. </p>
<p>Horses don&#8217;t do well against tanks, as the Poles discovered.  Its about time the protagonists started working together.</p>
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		<title>By: MighkW</title>
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		<dc:creator>MighkW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No.

http://www.grist.org/article/global-warming-is-a-hoax/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.grist.org/article/global-warming-is-a-hoax/" rel="nofollow">http://www.grist.org/article/global-warming-is-a-hoax/</a></p>
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		<title>By: BornInZion</title>
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		<dc:creator>BornInZion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mighk, on your many benefits of cycling you say , in part, this: &quot;&lt;i&gt;It’s no secret that automobiles contribute to serious air pollution issues, including climate change, ground level ozone, and particulate matter.  They also contribute to water pollution through stormwater runoff.  Their noise contributes to stress.  Millions of animals — wild and pet — are hit and killed by them every year.  And we pave over huge pieces of land to store those vehicles.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

In light of the entire basis for climate change turning out to be a hoax and a  fraud, shouldn&#039;t that reason be removed from this statement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mighk, on your many benefits of cycling you say , in part, this: &#8220;<i>It’s no secret that automobiles contribute to serious air pollution issues, including climate change, ground level ozone, and particulate matter.  They also contribute to water pollution through stormwater runoff.  Their noise contributes to stress.  Millions of animals — wild and pet — are hit and killed by them every year.  And we pave over huge pieces of land to store those vehicles.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>In light of the entire basis for climate change turning out to be a hoax and a  fraud, shouldn&#8217;t that reason be removed from this statement?</p>
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		<title>By: Keri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL! Well, safe, but not conflict-free :-)

Good bike-handling skills kept you safe from an actual crash. Staying safe on the sidewalk requires a combo of hyper-awareness, slow speed and good bike handling skills.

I&#039;ve been almost-hooked several times on the Cady Way extension side-path, but because I was prepared for the likelihood, they didn&#039;t actually get me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL! Well, safe, but not conflict-free <img src='http://mighkwilson.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Good bike-handling skills kept you safe from an actual crash. Staying safe on the sidewalk requires a combo of hyper-awareness, slow speed and good bike handling skills.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been almost-hooked several times on the Cady Way extension side-path, but because I was prepared for the likelihood, they didn&#8217;t actually get me.</p>
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		<title>By: MighkW</title>
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		<dc:creator>MighkW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keri wrote:
&quot;You or I could ride on a sidewalk and be safe because we know where the risks are and how to avoid them.&quot;

Maybe Keri and Eddie could, but not me ;^)

The last time I used a sidewalk to try to bypass a long back-up I got right-hooked.  I assumed nobody would be turning right down the cross-street I was about to cross.  Oops!  Only good braking technique kept me from plowing into the side of the car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keri wrote:<br />
&#8220;You or I could ride on a sidewalk and be safe because we know where the risks are and how to avoid them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe Keri and Eddie could, but not me ;^)</p>
<p>The last time I used a sidewalk to try to bypass a long back-up I got right-hooked.  I assumed nobody would be turning right down the cross-street I was about to cross.  Oops!  Only good braking technique kept me from plowing into the side of the car.</p>
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		<title>By: Keri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eddie, I&#039;d guess Key West doesn&#039;t have much space for facilities either. I imagine facilities would be useful in other parts of the Keys, particularly the bridges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddie, I&#8217;d guess Key West doesn&#8217;t have much space for facilities either. I imagine facilities would be useful in other parts of the Keys, particularly the bridges.</p>
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		<title>By: Keri</title>
		<link>http://mighkwilson.com/2009/10/doubt-can-unite-us/comment-page-1/#comment-277</link>
		<dc:creator>Keri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The argument that bike boxes prevent right-hooks is even worse! They only prevent one type of right hook. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commuteorlando.com/ontheroad/animations/bikebox/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s an animation&lt;/a&gt; that explains why they don&#039;t prevent (and may even encourage) the other type.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The argument that bike boxes prevent right-hooks is even worse! They only prevent one type of right hook. <a href="http://www.commuteorlando.com/ontheroad/animations/bikebox/" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s an animation</a> that explains why they don&#8217;t prevent (and may even encourage) the other type.</p>
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